How do you feel about evolutionary psychologists saying that men are naturally inclined to commit violence and rape?

There's a stereotype about feminists viewing men as naturally inclined to commit violence and rape. There are indeed some radical feminists who feel that way, but I've seen that idea espoused much more by evolutionary psychologists. I haven't noticed as much outcry against it, though. Some examples:

"You Should Know How The Male Brain Reacts To Handling A Gun: The evolutionary psychology of mass shootings." Frank T. McAndrew, Professor of Psychology, Knox College
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/young-males-guns-psychology_n_566226e4e4b08e945fefae4c

"A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion is a 2000 book by the biologist Randy Thornhill and the anthropologist Craig T. Palmer, in which the authors argue that evolutionary psychology can account for rape among human beings, maintain that rape is either a behavioral adaptation or a byproduct of adaptive traits such as sexual desire and aggressiveness, and make proposals for preventing rape." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Natural_History_of_Rape

"Although they argue that rape is biological, Thornhill and Palmer do not view it as inevitable. Their recommendations for rape prevention include teaching young males not to rape, punishing rape more severely, and studying the effectiveness of "chemical castration." They also recommend that young women consider the biological causes of rape when making decisions about dress, appearance, and social activities."
https://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2000/01/17/93527.htm
How do you feel about evolutionary psychologists saying that men are naturally inclined to commit violence and rape?
So do you find these claims by evolutionary psychologists to be offensive?
I agree, so I'm not offended by either radical feminists or evolutionary psychologists saying this
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I disagree, but I'm still not offended by either radical feminists or evolutionary psychologists saying this
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I'm only offended by radical feminists saying this (please explain why)
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I'm offended by both equally
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I'm offended by both, but moreso by radical feminists who say it (please explain why)
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I'm offended by both, but moreso by evolutionary psychologists who say it (please explain why)
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It's important to note that evolutionary psychology is very different from regular psychology. Most regular psychologists hate evolutionary psychology. Basically what evolutionary psychologists do is look at modern occurrences and assume there MUST be an evolutionary basis for all of them, despite the wide differences in behavior/norms across different societies.
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The most alarming part of these results is the percentage of people who actually agree with the hypothesis
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  • It's no secret that cavemen bonked women on the head, brought them back to their cave and had their way with them to reproduce.
    With evolution and culture though, such pulsions have subsided. The fact that some cavemen still exist to these days it's testimony that you can't take instinct out of the human being, even if a modicum of self control would be expected from humans used to live in a complex societal reality since millennias.

  • They are looking for evidence to support a claim. By definition science does not work that way. History will prove them wrong and show their complete ignorance.

    If they were correct, what would stop anyone ever stop raping women?

    Simple logic is missing from their argument.

    • Something I forgot to add. Rape is roughly the same between the sexes, both women and men are raped. Men don't report the crime, most often because of society standards. Rape is horrible and it sucks that people do this action to other human beings.

  • Makes no difference to me. All I worry about is my own actions and I am in complete control of myself

  • There is some truth to this statement, however I do not agree with the wording.

    While our brains might be wired in a certain way that will make us susceptible to committ violence of any kind, we're also wired to be able to control such impulses.

    So we, as men... we're naturally inclined to control our impulses and urges and NOT to actively engage and act upon them. And this is why the vast majority of men actually won't engage on (majors acts) of violence of any kind, and certainly won't go around raping people.

    So this is just bad wording for the sake of controversial attention.

    About the feminists take on these statements, I have no opinion at the moment.

  • Wording is confusing in the opinions, it is a good question though

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  • F. Even though scientific research has been disproven over and over again, criticized and ostracize (similarly to the one you're referencing) by the scientific community it doesn't stop people referencing them, and because they're dudes, from feminist it's from the outside looking in so assuming we're different is understandable but a dude should know better it doesn't take a genius to figure out that their claim that rape is a reproductive adaptation or circumvents a central feature of women's reproductive strategy: mate choice, kids get raped, men rape men how the f. ck is that reproductive. Nobody has or at least the majority of people don't have sex for the sole purpose of reproduction.

  • "Men are..." Some are but I believe it's a minority. OTOH almost all my friends are educated professionals and nice people who would never think of committing a violent crime of any kind, so maybe I'm a bit naive.

    I think it's also cultural -- in strongly patriarchical societies there is little societal protection for women. This is seen as tacit permission to rape by sociopathic men.

  • Psychologist tend to be mostly full of shit.

    They will say whatever you want to hear, if there is tenure or dollars in it.

    Psychology is barely a science, it's just a step up from numerology. Hence why medical specialists never take them too seriously.

  • A lot of speices different genders tend to have differences in what they do. including which gender is more violent. So if humans so happens to men then it is true.
    There is plenty of animals which have females as the more alpha tho. Just think about black widows males just get stright up eaten.

  • You don't need evolutionary scientists to know that fact.

  • Well other animals do that so it can't be that surprising humans would share it too, but I don't think that means men are automatically going to go around raping everyone. We evolved as hunters too, yet look how many people are really squeamish and would never want to go hunting now. (me included)

  • On this one I'd agree with a certain popular:unpopular professor and note that the typical man is a bit more violent and aggressive than the average woman but not that much more. But the "distribution" is shifted to one side. So when you look at violent people, people who go around committing violence in public, they're overwhelmingly male. It's not most males - it's just that the most violent 5-10% or males are as violent as the most violent 1% or less of women.

    as for rape it's very common to find forced sex somewhat arousing amongst both men and women. But most men are constrained not only by fear of consequences but by empathy. Far fewer women are excited by the idea of forcing a weaker man to have sex with them. It happens but it's rare. So you have men who are more inclined to find rape exciting and then you have some small minority of men who have very low empathy for others - and that's a very dangerous combination. Those men commit sexual assault over and over again. You end up with something like 1/3 of women having been assaulted by something like 1/40 men who do the assaulting.

    that's in a "normal" modern society. When you have things like bitter genocidal wars, "othering" of out groups can erode empathy to them and you have more men participating in sex crimes as part of a war. There are also some parts of the world where men and women are raised to view promiscuous women as sluts who are subhuman hence not deserving of empathy. That's not really an attitude I ever ran into but I've seen it in some places I've travelled to.

  • I don't take junk science seriously

  • It's not true both sexes can rape

    • True, but F to M rapes are exceptionally rare

  • I mean, I agree but I also don't. Naturally guys aren't rapists by default. I think rape and misogynony are actually reactionary beliefs created by negative experiences with women irl.

    Typically in innocent formative years as well, so teenage years, high school years and freshman and sophmore college years. Which, honestly, sort of ties in to incels and the 'manosphere' and red pill ideology and black pill ideology. It's all a reaction to being treated kind of badly in general. Thing is, boys are raised being taught women are just like men as equals and all this and that so the boys assume the women will react the way a boy would react to such and such action. For instance, sending a dick pick is seen as a good idea in a boys mind because boys know that boys love to get nudes from crushes. Ergo, boys assume women are the same as boys (no reason to assume otherwise) and so feel happy and good and positive about sending his crush a dick pick expecting her to be delighted about it.

    Nobody tells boys that women have different cognition, brain structure and hormone levels than boys do. Sexual dimorphism is not emphasized in boys education in society in general and this is sort of what happens when that information is left out. I think the key is to explain this information before the boys act on false premises. Doing that, by educating boys early that girls are actually psychologically different in these x and y explicit ways they have a chance to set correct expectations in regard to behaviors and expected reactions to actions they make and thereby skip the anger and resentment that comes from being caught off guard and confused or offended by unrelatable and unexpected reactions to actions they thought would cause a positive effect.

  • As a male, I do believe most males have sexual urges that don't seem to go away unless they relieve themselves. Is that an excuse to rape someone? Absolutely not, males should be taught self control from a young age because it is good to have and it can prevent a lot of harm. I do not believe males have a primal desire to rape women but that they have a primal desire to reproduce. Again, this is not an excuse to rape, this is just a fact that is in our DNA, the human purpose is to reproduce. This is the same as when a man gets excited over large breasts, his brain tells him the breasts will be good for nursing their child, wide hips for birth, etc. Basically, all males are not rape crazy but some are not good at controlling natural urges. Still not okay to rape people obviously.

  • That doesn’t seem likely to be true in regards to rape just because of common sense. Most normal people do not feel inclined to rape women lol. We are more prone to violence though.

  • Men are physically violent by design, which is a good thing.
    Our forefathers had to kill food, as well as each other.
    If your forefathers had not been killers, you would not exist today.
    Women love it. Ignore what the purple haired, fat, hairy armpitted Feminists say and look at the predominantly female audiences at professional fighting events. Women get wet watching muscular men fight each other. On a primal level, they want to mate with the man who wins.
    That is the result of millions of years of natural selection.
    Rape is a different matter.
    I suggest that rape is about dominance, not sex.
    I have done and seen things that would make the libtard snowflakes in this place throw up into their soy lattes, but I have not, nor could I ever, force myself on a woman.
    The idea is abhorrent to me.
    I have, however, bedded women who could not cum unless they acted out a rape fantasy.
    A few wanted to be tied up and tortured, before they were ‘raped’.
    Those experiences motivated me to read on the subject.
    Those who have written on the matter say that some form of rape fantasy is the most common sexual fantasy among women.
    It appears that more women fantasise about being raped than there are men who are inclined to do such a thing.
    I once knew a young leftist female who fantasised so much about being raped (especially orally) that she walked around the darkest parts of the nastiest nightclub district in Brisbane, as well as the pedestrian paths at the University of Queensland, and hoped that someone would rape her.
    To the best of my knowledge, she did not experience what she wanted. 😳

  • This isn't 'evolutionary psychologists' per se saying this. This are Critical Theory pimps that take the extremes of a particular group and try to convince everybody that it's the norm. It's a cancer that must be eradicated.
    When the only solution to a problem is to eliminate the members of a given group, you know the charges are trumped up. The only logical solution to getting rid of male violence as prescribe by these ardent supporters of Critical Gender theory is save their sperm, and kill all men, you know that these aren't 'scientists' they are radicals. And while they may not say 'kill all men', it is very much implied when feminizing men isn't going to get you the results you want.
    The inmates are running the asylum. Postmodernism at its finest.

    The problem with introducing a slippery slope is you always inevitably end up at the bottom of the slide.

  • There are a few problems with these theories. For example, teaching men not to rape. If one believes in evolution and evolutionary psychology then they must believe if men rape that it must be a result of evolution. So why bother to teach men not to rape? Men are just doing what they’ve evolved to do. Rape is a moral problem. Why are these psychologists attempting to fix a moral problem? Why not just let everyone do what they’re evolved to do? Evolution is a chance event after all and what it produces is the product of chance, that is if you believe in Darwinian evolution. When sharks eat seals it’s what they’ve been evolved to do. When men rape according to these people it’s what they’ve been evolved to do. So what’s the problem? Why not let nature take its course?


    I think it’s fairly obvious the people who come up with these theories know in a general sense right from wrong. They know rape is wrong. They know when rape occurs people are harmed and traumatized. That it’s not an evolutionary matter but a moral one. That it’s evil. There in lies the problem with that theory. If we know something is wrong or evil, it implies morals, and evolution doesn’t produce morals.

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