If this is in correlation to your previous Question, then I have doubts that this is actually going to be a legal issue. Do you think men like these are hypocrites or prejudiced?
The reason is because there is a difference between someone being "illegal" and someone being the age of legal consent.
In your previous topic, I agreed that it was hypocritical for a parent to think there is nothing wrong with a teenaged boy having sex with an older woman, but had the shoe been on the other foot had it been a daughter, all hell would break loose. But illegal? Even if it were a girl at 16/17 the age of consent in most states in the US and provinces in Canada, it's over the threshold of the legal age of consent. There are restrictions, such as, if the woman was directly the boy's teacher or caretaker, but you didn't say this was so.
It would help if you identified the age of the teenager, and whether or not in that state it's actually illegal, because it seems you are pressing to find it illegal even hypothetically if it's not. Otherwise, if it's legal, it ought to be let go and just be something the family works out on their own. If it was actually illegal, then it's illegal and the woman should be reported, end of story.
Alright, thanks. Yes, some people In that question triggered this question
Great answer
Thank you for MHO :)
If a teen is 16 or 17 and having sex with an 18 or 19 yr. old, then it should be fine and police shouldn't be called (unless it's rape). But if the 16 or 17 yr. old is having sex with someone 20+ then yes they should be called since it is illegal. The adult that's 20+ should know better.
But there is no difference between 19 and 21 year old so that doesn't make sense
Realize that in most places, the police won't care - it's considered a minor issue and the police have more pressing issues to deal with. Also, many states in the US have the AoC at 16 or 17, so it wouldn't be illegal anyway. In every single "ghetto"/lower income area, you'll have 12 and 13-year-old girls sleeping with grown men, and no one cares (mothers often encourage it!), and while the police are much more likely to take action at those ages, it's almost never going to be reported in those areas. But 16 or 17? The police will tell you to let the parents know, and leave it at that, unless you are the parent who is complaining.
My own feeling is that AoC should be 16 across the board, but, regardless of my own personal opinion, the police are going to see this kind of report as a waste of their time in most cases (it would be different if there was diminished mental capacity, or a teacher/student relationship, or an incestual familial relationship, or something like that). The police are too busy dealing with violence, murder, drugs, human trafficking, and major theft to worry about a 16-year-old having consentual sex with a 22-year-old or whatever.
You mentioned the way things are and I agree with you on that, but I don't feel that that's the way things should be or the way the law dictates it must be. Regardless of whether the cops enforce the laws, the Protective service investigators investigate the crime, or if any of the neighbors of this individual even care, it's still harmful to the kid and is not appropriate
@Citizenkirk I wasn't trying to imply that it was "right" or even "okay" - just sharing the hard truth of the situation. It would be great if the police had nothing better to do, but that's not how it is. Anyway, unless there is some level of abuse beyond just having sex, I would stay out of people's business if we're talking a 16-yo or older. Younger than that? Then, sure, maybe I'd get involved.
I'm not criticizing your reply, because you are not wrong. I am stating a simple, social relativistic truth. The system is a joke, and it's not the fault of the people who designed it, or even those few individuals who are trying to keep it together, but for the rest of us, who are letting our government and system of due process go to pot. Government, and the services that it is sanctioned with supplying, when it works, is like a well-oiled, well-tuned, machine, in constant need of maintenance and diagnostic support. That requires the participation of all 300 million citizens of this country, for supervision of our local, state, and federal governments. Our resources are being used for things they're not intended, and it's our own fault for allowing it to happen. We were never supposed to hire someone into office and just turn over all responsibility to them. We are supposed to be keeping our eye on our elected officials, our civil servants, and our enlisted personnel. Sadly enough I think the military is probably the ones branch of government that is not been excessively abusive and is power as of late the same cannot be said for the legislative judicial or executive branch of our government within the civilian private sector. This is a civilian government, with a civilian President, with the most powerful military complex on the planet, and there is absolutely no one guarding the henhouse, metaphorically speaking, except the fox. The same cannot be said about President Nixon, er, I mean Trump. I mean basically, I do mean both, because they're the same, cut from the same cloth. Birds of a feather, corruption together. Back to topic. Almost everyone posting is agreed that hurting children is not okay and through direct action, or negligence children are getting hurt. I can agree with your facts, but refuse too accept the unacceptable. Our society has problems.
There old enough to do understand what there doing there not a child
Okay
Laws dont run my life if someone were touch my kid befor they 15 whos adult id kill/maim them
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What's Your Opinion? Sign Up Now!Yes you should call the police as it is illegal. Even with the "Romeo and Juliet" clauses that are in certain states it will still be illegal even if one is 18 and the other 16/17. There are even cases where teens of the same age are illegal and have been arrested for it as it's underage sex
In my country (UK) there's no point calling the police because 16 is legal. But if it was illegal, i would call the police because it's rape/paedophilia
What is the age of consent in your jurisdiction? What is the relationship between the teen and the adult? Neighbors? Teacher and student? Family member?
Legality and morality are different sometimes. It's okay to call the cops, but there's nothing they can do about it a lot of the time. My friend wished there was something cops could do when it happened to her.
It's important to remember that many laws were written by people from a very different world than what we live in today.
I don't think that we should be calling the cops on people just because they're under 18 and having sex with people who are above 18. It's just some stupid line in the sand someone concocted decades ago. You know, back when women couldn't show any elbow.
I guess it depends on their age, if they are below 15 I will consider that taking advantage from the adult because they are clearly using them while the kid doesn't know what they are doing in such a situation
Under 15 I could agree with is almost certainly something sketchy happening. Even 15 is kinda on the edge for me. I just wish there was a way to have someone maybe look into. it and assess if it's abuse or not. And if it makes sense, give the adult the chance to stop if there is suspicion. Like what if in these situations we sent the kid and the adult to therapests? And let them assess why they're doing what they're doing
I think even after they are not harmed, the adult is clearly using the kid for their own benefit. At this point, I wouldn't forgive them They should have seeked help sooner.
It's perfectly ok not to call the police and if it were my daughter I personally wouldn't call the police. The pedi probably would though if they knew what I was about to do to them but by then the only real chance they have would be to call a paramedic.
Come on if they are that old they clearly know what they are doing, especially girls
I didn't say I wasn't biased or right. It's a known flaw I am protective of my girls. I have three and I'm willing to go to prison for the rest of my life if someone took advantage of them.
If one person is under age and the other an adult, call the police. They know the law so why break it, especially one that is so serious.
One man I met was really against it if it was a noy
*boy
Something is wrong with his mind.
Where i am 16 is the legal are for consensual sex It shouldn't be age that depicts when this is But the maturity of the people involved If they are able to make the decission with full clarity and understanding Use appropriate contraception then all you can do is advise them and hope they listen
So think it depends?
For me it would depend on 1) the age of the adult 2) whether I felt it was consensual.
I certainly wouldn't do anything if the adult was close in age to the minor. Most jurisdictions have exceptions, but sometimes the exceptions are too narrow. A 19-year-old in Texas had to register as a sex offender for having sex with his 16-year-old girlfriend. They were happily married a couple of years later. He never should have been convicted.
OTOH if I felt that the younger person had been pressured into it I would notify authorities to prevent the perpetrator from victimizing others.
legal here is 16 here.
But if it wasn't do you think police should be called
That's a tough question. I would say yeah probably cause i would of grown up thinking that wasn't okay if i was living in a place were it was illegal. And by my own ideology i would if the other person was over 20 with this 17 or 16.
Well in PA I think there is a romeo and Juliet law that allows for a 4 year age gap with the age of consent at 16. Once they are 18 age gap doesn't matter anymore. Im not a legal professional or anything but my point is check your state law because there may not even be a point in asking this question for you.
But do you think its big enough of a deal to call police if its illegal?
I dont know. Circumstance is important to the situation I think. Like a 17 year old and an 18 year old for instance I honestly wouldn't bother. If you think a older adult is taking advantage of a young 16 or 17 year old thats more reason to.
Alright thanks
The reason for statutory rape legislation, is to protect children who are either forced, or unable, to make informed decisions about their safety and personal health, in relation to sexual intercourse. Without the parent's discretion, such legislation is pointless and inconsequential.
In other words, the parent should use their best judgment.
If they 16 or 17 they old enough understand who they sleep with there not children. girls ik in hs got raped by other hs kids and plenty girls had good relationships people in late 20s. If some adult touch my kid befor they 15 i wouldn't use the law id torture them or kill them. i dont see the law as morals and ethics.
If you're the parent, then you're determination will be the one that will affect the kids situation more than anyone. I may be biased, because my stepfather was a child protective service investigator, but I tend to go by the legal statutes, that anyone under 18 is not qualified to make such a determination for themselves. Even if they're mature beyond their years, they're still not experienced enough for this type of situation, to make the most educated decisions on the subject.
CPS most often puts kids in worse places where rapes and violence happen rather then them just getting beat by there parents. A CPS agent tried take away my friend over his mom letting him smoke weed lmao. Sending them to jail they will be seen same as a rapist cause sex offender paperwork all the same and theyll experience what rapist experiences in jail wich isn't fair to them. When your 16 or 17 your old enough join military and drive car you aware who your sleeping with. The parents got involved with my friend when she with guy in late 20s in hs had a terrible relationship already with her did hard drugs and just did it to make her upset. Do you think if your old enough join military you know who your sleeping with. How are they not experienced enough make that decision
How is it not okay? If their under aged it doesn't matter if their an older child or not, there still under 18 and in most countries that is illegal. Sounds like the adult is taking advantage of the kid, and becod that I would call the cops and they could deal with the situation.
Not sure, some people said its wrong to call police if they are at that age, look at mine other question
Actually, you're both wrong and 16 is more common than 18 for age of consent. You two probably just happen to live in a state where it's 18. And because this is a touchy subject and people will most likely attack me without knowing me. I will and would not do anything sexual with a minor.
@iFarted so give your opinion
Where I am legal age to have sex is 16, so it's legal
If they did not want it enforced, there should not be a law.
So you think it should be called
Statutory rape is serious. If the age of consent is 18 and an adult is knowingly engaging in sex with a minor and you not only know but can prove it then no, it's not OK to not call the cops. I didn't realise how immature I was when I was 16/17. Most people don't. Even if the adult is 20 there's a disparity in play.
I've counselled abuse victims and statutory rape victims as adults, some whose abusers were tried and convicted and some who weren't. I never met anyone who had experienced what you describe who wasn't stronger for having been protected, even if they were seriously pissed off at the time.
If it's not against the law, there's really nothing the police can do about it.
What's the age of consent in your area?
Most places, it is 16 or 17.
It's illegal for a reason. Minors cannot give informed consent. An adult "having sex" with a teen is rape. Statutory or otherwise. I'd call the fucking cops
Some dude is real mad about the fact that he can't have sex with minors
Not really, some people think 16 or 17 year olds are old enough to know what they are doing
I remember being 16-17 and thinking I was mature enough to have sex. There were adults I found attractive who I might have had sex with given the chance. Now? I'm so so glad that never happened because I know I absolutely was not ready for that. Older teenagers often think they are so much more grown and mature than they are. I think it's the responsibility of the adults to always turn down their advances because we're the ones old enough to understand that it's wrong
I would need a lot more details (like how did I find out that an adult was having sex with a 16 or 17 yr old and is the teen being pressured) before I answered this question yes or no
Alright
The police should be called. Sets an example for the others who'll get to know about it. Will also give clarity as to why its illegal.
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