Not anymore, the sjw feminists are more interested in pushing an agenda then dealing with facts and truth. I used to automatically fall on the side of the woman.. Now I automatically think its a political move to push a bs agenda and think she is lying. (unless there is overwhelming proof)
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YourMonkeyDoesXper 5
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They should be taken seriously, that's for sure. Should we automatically put a guy in jail when a woman says he raped her? Nope.
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Anpu23Master
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No, girls lie too.
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meatballs21Master
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They should believe that she has a legitimate claim worthy of investigation.
This is not the same thing as 'yeah, she was definitely raped'.
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OctaviusGuru
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They shouldn't be automatically believed but they should be taken seriously. People need to stop taking sides at the beginning of a case. Anything other than being impartial is wrong in every way.
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HannahcakesXper 5
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I believe they should have the benifit of a doubt that they are telling the truth. But I also believe that if it's found out that they made a false accusation the law should be slammed on them pretty hard.
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DandeusGuru
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Yes, of course. That doesn't mean the accused should be denied due process, but a person making a claim of violence against their person should always be believed until further investigation shows otherwise.
Except those statistics are provably false. They are a complete misrepresentation of the facts. They don't account for the fact that most of those are cases that are dropped by the accuser, lack of evidence etc. Those stats are based upon the assumption that women are always telling the truth in every single situation which itself is provably false (unless you believe that women are not human nor equal to men).
jacquesvol
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@hellionthesage Just a few months on this site may convince you Rape is a VERY REAL thing. www.girlsaskguys.com/search
My own late mother was raped on the roadside when her car broke down. She was in her seventies at that moment.
jacquesvol
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@hellionthesage with hundreds of thousands of rape kits untested, "lack of evidence" is probable but it's also proof our system just doesn't work. Does it even WANT TO work?
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hellionthesage
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Well thats a straw man argument. At no point did I say rape didn't happen, I stated those statistics are false. 98% of rapist get away with it? So the courts, knowing the person is a rapist, being able to prove that the person is a rapist just let them go? Thats not how it works. What happens is people are accused and either evidence proves them guilty or it doesn't and many cases result in it being unprovable meaning they are at the very least neither guilty nor innocent they simply do not know. That is a far cry different then being a rapist. Further more it completey ignores the fact that women do falsify rape charges, their are rough estimates about it being about forty percent of accused rapes are false. Out of all accused rapist only 2% are provablly guilty. Again that is completely different then stating that every single person accused is absolutely a rapist, women cannot lie after all or be mistaken, and therefore every one of them found not guilty actually is.
jacquesvol
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@hellionthesage The courts don't even see or hear the rapists. If cops don't have the rape kits tested, who will bring the case to a court?
hellionthesage
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And many of those would exonerate many men, so not a really good argument. Especailly when you claim that 98% of rapist go free then state that the tests are not being performed to see if some one was raped/is a rapist. Which one is it, is the evidence not being processed making it an unknown, or do we have absolute knowledge and are letting the people go? Your still having the issue of applying the term rapist to people who cannot be proven to have raped ergo cannot be determined to be rapist ie the statistics is wrong.
jacquesvol
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@hellionthesage The evident conclusion is : unless it happens to persons close to themselves, many men prefer to ignore rapes and cops and District. Attorneys act accordingly.
hellionthesage
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That is moronic. The evidence does not say that how the hell would you even come to that conclusion? Almost every high profile rape case in the US at least has been proven false, this despite the fact that no one believed it to be or continues to believe it. Its literally woman claimes rape, man accused of rape, every one believes he is a rapist, evidence proves he is not and she is lying, every one continues to believe she was raped and are disgusted that the "rapist" whent free. Every major case seems to follow this trend (from the UV rape case to the duke lacross players case) showing that what your saying is actually provably wrong, that no one dismisses a woman who claims rape and that we as a society are more then happy to believe her even when its clear that she is lying, even when its proved she is lying. Basicly, that is the most illogical claim you can make.
Redstang88Master
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Innocent until proven guilty is the basis of our legal system. No need fo make exemptions.
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worldscolideMaster
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Believed by friends and family maybe. But you don't convict on a word. Innocent until proven guilty. If it is found that she willfully made it up then she should get the same as he would have gotten. It's why I like sites like registerher. com
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Jayded1Explorer
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Of course not. That would be insane. Change the word "rape" for any other crime. Now imagine that accusation was against you and everyone believed it.
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gapminderYoda
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Okay what do you mean by "believed". Taken seriously? Yes absolutely believed in that respect. But to go as far as causing a man hunt without any evidence or due process absolutely no.
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00LelouchxxXper 6
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I don't belivr ant woman that make accusation. Unless the evidence is clear.
So many woman lie chest and steal like Eddie Guerrero was there father 1.
2. I'm a man I have to believe my side. there no brotherhood any more because we as man made it seem weak or gay to need help. Woman have a advantage by being seen as the victim nine times out ten. Every one gonna belive them. my examples are gone girl the book/movie or dragon age origins Morgan story.
3. Cried wolf syndrome once one lies u all lie. Sucks but that the way the world works.
Look at what they try to do to Michael Jackson he did not rspe those kids. but the parent told them to lie. And the kids as adults now said our parents made us lie. Or that girl who lied on the food ball player high school guy and says he raped her and he got locked up. All he did was break up with her. She felt guilty after six year and told the truth and nows he out. I forget which football team gave him a shot becuaee they heard his story and they felt bad.
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JCT666Guru
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Only if there is sufficient evidence.
I recommend looking up what happened to Brian Banks. A man jailed for a rape accusation, until he was released after 6 years when the accuser eventually admitted the rape did not happen.
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Melcart23Explorer
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No. You can really ruin a mans life by accusing him of rape.
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somethingoingonXper 4
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HELL NO
women use this as a form of revenge
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SabretoothGuru
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no. every heard of the boy who cried wolf? same results, just on a grander scale.
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MarounXper 2
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Yes.
Then angry mob abducts rapist and cuts off his penis.
Then it's found out girl made it up cause she was angry her boyfriend broke up with her.
Then people laugh it off and she promises to never do it again.
Everyone lives happy ever after (except the guy with no penis)
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Anonymous
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No. They can lie to get a guy who scorned them in trouble.
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Anonymous
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NO! Rape is a crime and should be treated as a crime but it needs to be proven that the man really did it. So that means the woman should not be automatically believed. However, she should be able to go to a safe house while the investigation is going on. Lots of women do get raped but there is also lots of women that lie about being raped as well. If a man has raped a woman he should be punished for it and go to jail. However, if a woman lies about being raped she should also go to jail. Women falsely accusing men of rape is very wrong as it destroys the man's reputation over something he did not do. Even when he has been proven innocent people still treat him like he did it. So no, women should not be automatically believed.
What Girls & Guys Said
15 37Not anymore, the sjw feminists are more interested in pushing an agenda then dealing with facts and truth. I used to automatically fall on the side of the woman.. Now I automatically think its a political move to push a bs agenda and think she is lying. (unless there is overwhelming proof)
They should be taken seriously, that's for sure. Should we automatically put a guy in jail when a woman says he raped her? Nope.
No, girls lie too.
They should believe that she has a legitimate claim worthy of investigation.
This is not the same thing as 'yeah, she was definitely raped'.
They shouldn't be automatically believed but they should be taken seriously. People need to stop taking sides at the beginning of a case. Anything other than being impartial is wrong in every way.
I believe they should have the benifit of a doubt that they are telling the truth. But I also believe that if it's found out that they made a false accusation the law should be slammed on them pretty hard.
Yes, of course. That doesn't mean the accused should be denied due process, but a person making a claim of violence against their person should always be believed until further investigation shows otherwise.
That doesn't happen yet:
rainn.org/files/uploadedFiles/Reporting.jpg
hundreds of thousands of rape kits are simply not even tested: https://www.endthebacklog.org/backlog/what-backlog
In several places victims have to pay the rape kits themselves: www.slate.com/.../...ng_charged_for_rape_kits.html
Except those statistics are provably false. They are a complete misrepresentation of the facts. They don't account for the fact that most of those are cases that are dropped by the accuser, lack of evidence etc. Those stats are based upon the assumption that women are always telling the truth in every single situation which itself is provably false (unless you believe that women are not human nor equal to men).
@hellionthesage
Just a few months on this site may convince you Rape is a VERY REAL thing.
www.girlsaskguys.com/search
My own late mother was raped on the roadside when her car broke down. She was in her seventies at that moment.
@hellionthesage with hundreds of thousands of rape kits untested, "lack of evidence" is probable but it's also proof our system just doesn't work. Does it even WANT TO work?
Well thats a straw man argument. At no point did I say rape didn't happen, I stated those statistics are false. 98% of rapist get away with it? So the courts, knowing the person is a rapist, being able to prove that the person is a rapist just let them go? Thats not how it works. What happens is people are accused and either evidence proves them guilty or it doesn't and many cases result in it being unprovable meaning they are at the very least neither guilty nor innocent they simply do not know. That is a far cry different then being a rapist. Further more it completey ignores the fact that women do falsify rape charges, their are rough estimates about it being about forty percent of accused rapes are false. Out of all accused rapist only 2% are provablly guilty. Again that is completely different then stating that every single person accused is absolutely a rapist, women cannot lie after all or be mistaken, and therefore every one of them found not guilty actually is.
@hellionthesage The courts don't even see or hear the rapists. If cops don't have the rape kits tested, who will bring the case to a court?
And many of those would exonerate many men, so not a really good argument. Especailly when you claim that 98% of rapist go free then state that the tests are not being performed to see if some one was raped/is a rapist. Which one is it, is the evidence not being processed making it an unknown, or do we have absolute knowledge and are letting the people go? Your still having the issue of applying the term rapist to people who cannot be proven to have raped ergo cannot be determined to be rapist ie the statistics is wrong.
@hellionthesage The evident conclusion is : unless it happens to persons close to themselves, many men prefer to ignore rapes and cops and District. Attorneys act accordingly.
That is moronic. The evidence does not say that how the hell would you even come to that conclusion? Almost every high profile rape case in the US at least has been proven false, this despite the fact that no one believed it to be or continues to believe it. Its literally woman claimes rape, man accused of rape, every one believes he is a rapist, evidence proves he is not and she is lying, every one continues to believe she was raped and are disgusted that the "rapist" whent free. Every major case seems to follow this trend (from the UV rape case to the duke lacross players case) showing that what your saying is actually provably wrong, that no one dismisses a woman who claims rape and that we as a society are more then happy to believe her even when its clear that she is lying, even when its proved she is lying. Basicly, that is the most illogical claim you can make.
Innocent until proven guilty is the basis of our legal system. No need fo make exemptions.
Believed by friends and family maybe. But you don't convict on a word. Innocent until proven guilty. If it is found that she willfully made it up then she should get the same as he would have gotten. It's why I like sites like registerher. com
Of course not. That would be insane. Change the word "rape" for any other crime. Now imagine that accusation was against you and everyone believed it.
Okay what do you mean by "believed".
Taken seriously? Yes absolutely believed in that respect. But to go as far as causing a man hunt without any evidence or due process absolutely no.
I don't belivr ant woman that make accusation.
Unless the evidence is clear.
So many woman lie chest and steal like Eddie Guerrero was there father 1.
2. I'm a man I have to believe my side. there no brotherhood any more because we as man made it seem weak or gay to need help. Woman have a advantage by being seen as the victim nine times out ten. Every one gonna belive them. my examples are gone girl the book/movie or dragon age origins Morgan story.
3. Cried wolf syndrome once one lies u all lie. Sucks but that the way the world works.
Look at what they try to do to Michael Jackson he did not rspe those kids. but the parent told them to lie. And the kids as adults now said our parents made us lie.
Or that girl who lied on the food ball player high school guy and says he raped her and he got locked up. All he did was break up with her. She felt guilty after six year and told the truth and nows he out. I forget which football team gave him a shot becuaee they heard his story and they felt bad.
Only if there is sufficient evidence.
I recommend looking up what happened to Brian Banks. A man jailed for a rape accusation, until he was released after 6 years when the accuser eventually admitted the rape did not happen.
No. You can really ruin a mans life by accusing him of rape.
HELL NO
women use this as a form of revenge
no. every heard of the boy who cried wolf? same results, just on a grander scale.
Yes.
Then angry mob abducts rapist and cuts off his penis.
Then it's found out girl made it up cause she was angry her boyfriend broke up with her.
Then people laugh it off and she promises to never do it again.
Everyone lives happy ever after (except the guy with no penis)
No. They can lie to get a guy who scorned them in trouble.
NO! Rape is a crime and should be treated as a crime but it needs to be proven that the man really did it. So that means the woman should not be automatically believed. However, she should be able to go to a safe house while the investigation is going on. Lots of women do get raped but there is also lots of women that lie about being raped as well. If a man has raped a woman he should be punished for it and go to jail. However, if a woman lies about being raped she should also go to jail. Women falsely accusing men of rape is very wrong as it destroys the man's reputation over something he did not do. Even when he has been proven innocent people still treat him like he did it. So no, women should not be automatically believed.