Well guys... is makeup really "fake" Your hypocrisy is on point?

[CafèMachiatto]

A lot of guys want a girl who looks like this:

Let's compare side-to-side a girl without makeup:

Discoloration, acne scars, hyperpigmentation, etc. Now, which one do you prefer? (Not based on race, but I know guys on GAG have some sort of white blonde girl fetish or some shit) But obviously, the girl with makeup looks more polished, not "better" because she is the same person with/without makeup

Now, why did I ask? It's because guys who claim that they don't like makeup or that it's fake won't give "plain jane's" the time of day. You know damn well that if my eyelashes or touching my brows, or if my lips be popping a little too brightly it's not "natural" perse.

However, makeup can either enhance natural beauty or we can go full-blown artistic. There's of course girls who are going to be insecure and mask on their makeup, but that's not the case with a lot of girls. The average person who wears makeup is not that "ugly" I, personally see makeup as grooming, just like how men shave or wear cologne.

Enhancing natural beauty with Makeup:

[KRIEL55]

yess! so true! i personally love makeup (but i dont cake it on, i just enhance my features and love a dramatic smokey eye for special occasions) im the type of girl that just has to have her makeup, nails, and hair done and i meet a lot of guys who can go onnnn about how "natural is better" but then they ask ME out! like i said, its not that i cake on my makeup, but i wear it every day, get my hair dyed monthly, and my nails are always painted. and these guys who complain about girls looking "fake" neverr actually go for all natural girls. like one guy who alwaaays talked about how much he loves the natural look, said he thinks nicki minaj is one of the most beautiful women. NICKI MINAJ! she's like the queen of surgeries. i just can't.

[CafèMachiatto]

I mean some basic bitches do cake their shit on, but those guys are easily fooled, and I'm just silently judging. Like fake nails... my real nails are dry, brittle and impossible to grow, and I get professional acrylics, not those cheap-as-fuck stick ons that cling onto everything, and when it comes to hair. when it comes to my 18" malysian Yaki... I have a "Don't ask Don't tell policy :D

[KRIEL55]

yup i know a lot of girls who fool guys so easily. some do the absolute most like always wear fake eyelashes, colored contacts, and extremely padded push up bras. and well my nails do grow fast they are one of my favorite features so i keep them long and always paint them or if i have time i do some designs, and oh aha well as long as your hair and nails are good quality and look real, its all good. well my hair has always been long but i always get it dyed because it just looks too simple naturally. yeah i understand enhancing some features, but some girls do the most and some guys really just love it even though they claim they want a more natural girl.

[CafèMachiatto]

I just learned to do makeup properly and not cake on so much product. Some of my favorite makeup artists are Lisa Eldrige, Mary Greenwell, Charlotte Tillbury, REAL makeup artist, not some Jaclyn Hill bs. And the colored contacts are just freaky as hell.

[Anonymous]

In principal I don't care if makeup is natural or not. Appearance is just appearance. I don't take it as some sort of fate-defined way of broadcasting your inner self. It's not. It's appearance.

So if it's only function is to provide an appearance, I don't see why natural vs. made up matters. The way she looks with makeup is how she really looks with makeup! That's it.

Though I hate the top pic, she's not my type at all, lol

[Mr-chocolate]

I think the bottom picture is best best she looks the with and with out make-up. Too many is cake it on for example when I look on instagram I see that then u see them without make-up and u like dam she looks bad or like a ghost. What is up the the draw on eyes?

[justbanANNAz]

this is mytake material. would have been great.

[CafèMachiatto]

Yea, but I have no idea what I was clicking on when I submitted this

[justbanANNAz]

that's okay. regardless, you make a good point :)

[Kylesar]

What exactly is your point here?

What are you trying to ask/say?

[CafèMachiatto]

My point is that why do you guys like to pretend to like natural girls when you don't give them the time of day? And two, there's a preference of white blonde girls on here who look like that

[Kylesar]

My girlfriend is very minimalist in make-up (she literally looks no different with it on or off). Every girl I've been interested in is minimalist (from what I can see). The doll look is unattractive in general. Some guys would, but most guys won't go for it. The girl looked plastic. She looks like a barbie doll. The white girl looks above average at best If you look ugly without makeup, obviously they'll go for you only when you wear it. That's logic. However, if you're average (6-7) and make-up takes you up to about a 7-8, guys would prefer it minimalist What guys (or at least I) mean by "natural" is being able to go minimalist (AKA enhancing natural beauty), not going full barbie doll and not shunning makeup completely if you need it I may just be one of those outliers

[CafèMachiatto]

Then you're making things to complicated for yourself 1. Makeup comes off, so why would it matter, because like you said if they are ugly and if guys would go after the pretty one, then they have their own prejudice. So thanks for reiterating my point, because the second girl, as you said looked like 'plastic' And who said that the makeup was to please you? I don't care what a guy thinks of me with my neon-purple lips. Let them think it's fake. I don't give a fuck.

[Kylesar]

Because it's logic. I'm sure I don't have to explain why appearance is important. You wouldn't approach a guy who looks homeless (to date), even though he can bathe, shave and get into better clothes... so why should it matter what he looks like now? That logic runs both ways It just seems like the usual "men shouldn't have standards" argument. I never said make is there to please me or any other man. If you don't care what a guy thinks, good for you. I'm sure you get lots of cookies

[CafèMachiatto]

The last statement: just because it's your turn to get some pussy for however many months doesn't mean you need to act like a conceited dick And if appearance, like you said it so important, then why shame the makeup, because it's all about the face, not some dude who chooses to dress like a homeless bum. And you can remove clothes, I don't know if you know that, but if a girl wears makeup, sometimes it's medical reasons like severe discoloration that only skincare can do so much for, or maybe a birth scar, but I know I'm probably straining your brain way too much.

[Kylesar]

Lol, the ad hominem. Was waiting to see how long before it came into play You're the one who tried to make it seem like makeup is to please men. You brought that on yourself. I never said a thing about it being needed to attract men "Sometimes it's medical reasons" Sometimes. Not most. In fact, it's probably an overwhelming minority. Definitely not enough to make a point The makeup and clothes both contribute to appearance, so my analogy stands Caking on makeup isn't attractive. I'm not speaking for all men, but it goes deeper than just the outside, because as we all know, the outside gives insight to the inside At the end of the day, our views are gonna remain the same, so this argument is ultimately a moot point

[CafèMachiatto]

But you even admitted so, so how am I 'making anything up' to play in my favor? Are you cynical and insecure about your own motives? Perhaps, but that's your problem. And you did say "sometimes" in agreement that cosmetics is for medical reasons, I'm sure you're heard of "Dermablend". Dermatologists. You get the jist. Maybe not. And your definition of caking on makeup is not "caking on makeup" Yes, girls do truly cake on makeup, but your idea of it is a bright lip color, or very dramatic eyeliner, but then again you'd probably masturbate to those type of women so I'm giving you a sideeye.

[Kylesar]

Not at all You're stuck in your ways. You're convinced that you know how men think, despite every single one of those claims being false. Women right, men wrong. I get it Motives? Not a single one of those were even discussed, yet it pops up from YOU. A useless red herring Caking on makeup- This conclusion is based on what YOU twisted my words to fit your meaning. I have no idea where you logically connected lipstick with caking it up, but the logic doesn't register As I said, the use of makeup DUE to medical conditions is the overwhelming minority of usage, yet you're somehow trying to make it general thing Then you turn around to try to discuss who I masturbate to, which is not only irrelevant, but a pathetic strawman You come in convinced that you know how men think. When a man (who I'm sure knows far better than any woman how he thinks) comes in and attempts to explain, you spew crap and twist words to try to prove your point. Lol, I'm done here

[CafèMachiatto]

Tll;Dr you haven't proven me wrong lmao

[Kylesar]

You didn't bother reading, yet you still try to argue? As I said, you're stuck in your ways. Women are more emotionally driven, not logically driven, and this is scientifically proven You feel like you're right, so nothing I say will convince you, even though you're wrong with flimsy logic teeming with fallacies You seem to have men figured out, more-so than actual men, so enjoy your ignorance

[CafèMachiatto]

I did bother to actually read, but your imput has no value whatsoever. You are the eptiome of a psuedo-intellect. and it's not like I'm wrong either so if you want to continue to be a holier-than-thou dick, go right ahead

[Kylesar]

You are the incarnation of emotionally driven logic, which is minute and fallacious You think you know how men think, but from your arguments, you need to figure out what your own thoughts are first

[CafèMachiatto]

You didn't contribute anything to your own statements. I'm not trying to "reason" with your at this point, I'm telling you, you are wrong.

[Kylesar]

With what supporting evidence? Those fallacious arguments you've been spewing this entire argument under the guise of "reason?"

[CafèMachiatto]

Look at you using big words, now tell me how you've presented any logical evidence when you literally juxtaposed several of your comments? Don't piss me off, I'm not going to deal with some man-baby whose ink hasn't dried on his diploma yet.

[Kylesar]

Don't piss you off? What are you gonna do, go caps lock on me?
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If you want logic, feel free to re-read the conversation and put hop off your emotionally made pedastal while you do so